Wasblind's latest post - To be clear, the generation has not passed away yet, the WT has changed their view to 'the generation' being an overlapping generation. The understanding of what Jesus meant by the term 'generation' has been updated/refined, but the generation, according to the new understanding, is still ALIVE. So your equation doesn't seem to apply, I'm sorry :)
The Quiet One
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Wasblind - Just in case my rambling style has hidden my point.. The Deuteronomy scripture can only be applied to the WT if someone can prove, from the WT's own words, that they prophesied that Armageddon would come in 1975 etc in Jehovahs name. Did they say that ' Jehovah will bring about Armageddon in 1975 or any of the other dates' ? If not, the title of false prophet CANNOT be rightly applied. They stated that they were NOT saying Jehovah would bring about Armageddon in 1975. At worst they have been too enthusiastic with a Scriptural theory. They said something that Jehovah did not tell them, but they didn't say it was from Jehovah, did they? The WT have never claimed to be divinely inspired or infallible, or that the publications are. Being guided is different to being inerrant, as I have tried my best to illustrate.. Cedars - With respect, the word 'prophet' does not have to mean someone who makes a prediction of the future and claims that God gave it to them. A prophet can simply be a messenger of God. You're free to believe that the WT are deceptive, but please be careful that you are not (in your sincere enthusiasm), by starting these various campaigns of yours, causing damage and distress to peoples lives, by stirring up trouble for jw's via sensational articles based on your own viewpoint and not the WT's words alone. Otherwise, is your preaching your viewpoint (that could be wrong) on jw's and inciting emotional responses from people who may not have all the facts really any different than jw's spreading (what you view as) propaganda to people who don't know both sides of the story? I don't feel anymore that I could stir up anything against people that can't be undeniably proven to be part of something evil. Just a thought, I'm not attacking you. :)
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Wasblind - If you reread what I said , the context was that I was asking jhuman to prove that the WT are false prophets with a quote, to back up his claim that they have falsely prophesied in the past with evidence. The WT didn't say that Jehovah would definitely end the system of things in 1975. As to the generation prophecy you refer to, unless someone believes that Jesus' prophecies were all fulfilled in 70ce, a person who believes in both Jesus and the Bible as inspired and trustworthy has only three choices: the generation prophecy has a different meaning than the more obvious interpretations , Jesus was a false prophet, or 1914 being the start of World War 1 (nation against nation) was a coincidence and we're not living in the last days. Jw's believe 1914 was a Biblically significant year, that the last nearly 100 years are fulfilling the signs Jesus gave, and so the WT have realised that a generation doesn't have to mean the obvious. My point is that it was not a prophecy when the WT stated what you have quoted, it was an interpretation of a prophecy Jesus gave. It was at worst an incomplete understanding of Jesus' use of the word generation, one that has been refined. You could say that they have simply looked again at the period of time a generation can last and realised it is not confined to just one narrow definition.
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Wasblind - Great point about Moses and the rock.. think about it though. Holy spirit wasn't with him at that time because he took credit for Jehovahs act of bringing forth the water. That didn't prove that the spirit wasn't with Moses before that, or that it would never be again after his mistake, did it? And honestly, have the WT ever taken credit for what Jehovah has done? They only claim to be a 'mouthpiece' or spokesman, so your example doesn't seem to apply.
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personal name....are they measuring up to this important qualification.
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Jhuman14 - The point you are making would depend on whether the Watchtower made a false prediction in Gods name, which would be necessary for it to be a false prophecy (read the Bible if you don't believe this definition), or whether they just strongly (far too strongly some feel) put forward a Biblical theory, without saying 'Jehovah WILL do this' , that didn't pan out. If you can present a WT quote where they said that: Jehovah has said he WILL bring about Armageddon in 1975 or that they spoke for Jehovah in saying the end would come in 1975 (and not just the quote where they say that they should be obeyed as if they were the voice of God, which when read in context was talking about how they teach from Gods Word and so it is like God is talking, NOT that every word in the publications is from God) , then you can maybe prove beyond doubt that they were False Prophets. Otherwise you would seem to be assuming that a person chosen by God cannot make mistakes, such as having a wrong view/theory and then getting their hopes up, which some of Jesus' disciples did.. The WT did not make a prediction and claim it was from God. Or did they? Decide for yourself..
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The spirit wouldn't have done anything wrong or made a mistake.. but the leader/s of the Israelites still could have done, even whilst heading in the right direction (out of Egypt). Whereas the Bible writers could not make a mistake because they were being 'divinely inspired' as they wrote. My point is that a person doesn't have to do everything perfectly whilst being guided. Imagine someone being guided across a tricky terrain by an expert, the person might divert slightly here and there from the right path, which they should not have, or just slip up because they misunderstood what the guide tried to tell them.. but they can still be heading in the right direction. It would not be the fault of the expert guiding the person.. and the guide might even forgive the person for the wrong steps they took.
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personal name....are they measuring up to this important qualification.
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"We will also increase our joy if we prayerfully and diligently study God's spirit - inspired Word and Christian publications prepared under the spirit's guidance ." Watchtower 1992 Mar 15 pp.21-22 Is there a difference between being guided by the spirit and being inspired by it? Can guidance be ignored/misunderstood whereas direct inspiration (gods words) cannot? A distinction is made here between the Bible and the publications. That's all I can add to this topic..
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"Scripture is divinely inspired in that God actively worked through the process and had his hand in the outcome of what Scripture would say. Inspired Scripture is simply written revelation. “Scripture is not only man’s word, but also, and equally God’s word, spoken through man’s lips or written with man’s pen” ( J.I. Packer , The Origin of the Bible , p. 31). " http://www.theopedia.com/Inspiration_of_the_Bible
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personal name....are they measuring up to this important qualification.
of a true prophet?
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To be fair, though.. Can't someone, in theory, be at times guided by holy spirit without their every word being directly inspired by it? Moses was supposedly guided by YHWH but every word that he said on a day-to-day basis wasn't inspired, was it? Only the words he allegedly wrote in the Bible. Just saying..
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"Feeling sorry for yourself" about being hit by your husband is not Christian 2/15/12 WT Page 25 P 12
by yourmomma inhave anyone of you read, the absolutly jaw dropping paragraph in this article about a women who was hit by her husband?
its in page 25 of the 2/15/12 wt study edition (i read the dumbed down version).. .
if there was any question, that the watchtowers stance is for wives to simply take it when their husbands abuse them, this makes it crystal clear.. who the hell is scanning these things before they go to print?
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Take a look at point 2-- " God's Word does not encourage separation as a way to solve minor problems. But a wife might choose to leave her husband if (1) he stubbornly refuses to support his family, (2) he is so violent that her health and life arein danger, or (3) his extreme opposition makes it impossible for her to worship Jehovah.— 1 Corinthians 7:12, 13 . " http://www.watchtower.org/e/rq/article_08.htm